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Grovelerwyrm
02-23-2019, 10:48 PM
Tonight, I joined the server, as I have done for the past 3 1/2 years.

I joined RU team as the game started. Observed as RU team gained A then B, and held B. Watched 2rukus, fnbenis, and LLNZ join the US team from the U.S. I figured, it would be to help the US team gain some balance. Then, I watched as one of you turned on the Nade limit. AT this point RU team had a 300 point advantage. US team then steamrolled through B, and captured A. After this, the XN members did not change teams to balance the game again, and ONLY LLNZ changed teams after i brought it up in game. RU team lost that round 137 to 0.

Next game, I observed as only LLNZ was on our team (Still), and he and I were on US team. RU team gained A then B. U.S. team could not overcome the RU team at B and lost the round 625 to 0. I saw NO XN members help the U.S. team besides LLNZ. I saw no one turn on the nade limit.

You have, on this forum, as well as in game, talked about keeping the server balanced. Yet while 3 or 4 XN members were present, something like this happened. I can only see this as admin abuse. If you are going to turn the nade limit on, or assist the teams, then you need to set a standard. A standard that is FAIR TO ALL. Not just when it suits you.

I have played, like I said, for about 3 1/2 years on XN metro. I have accepted what has happened, good and bad, even defending fnbenis at times. But this time was too much. You XN members HAVE abused your authority to your gain. In this case, 2rukus and fnbenis, have benefited from this.

I will remind you that you need us as players to populate the server.

So I ask you, is this what we should expect on the server?

benis
02-24-2019, 01:11 AM
Here is a link to my battle log profile.http://battlelog.battlefield.com/bf3/soldier/fnbenis/stats/519347865/pc/
I have about 5200 of my 5280 hours on this server with a 0.63 win/loss percentage. That is almost 9000 losses out of 17000 rounds on this server. As it says in chat on the server, "we turn on explosive limit from time to time, so don't cry about it". I'm sorry you lost a couple rounds, it'll be ok bud.

Deadly_PewPew
02-24-2019, 03:34 AM
You're here because you had a bad round .
I wish my experience in game can make you feel better .
Through my experience , Adm turn on the nade limit wont cause my team lost .
Only "The will of just hold 2 flags and let the tickets leak" cause me lost .

They made a comeback , because they want 3 flags .
They show me No mercy .
And they will get what they want if my team only want to hold 2 flags .

byCarlsJr
02-24-2019, 08:23 AM
Hi, I'm carlsjr, welcome to the forum.

Grovelerwyrm
02-24-2019, 03:45 PM
You're here because you had a bad round .
I wish my experience in game can make you feel better .
Through my experience , Adm turn on the nade limit wont cause my team lost .
Only "The will of just hold 2 flags and let the tickets leak" cause me lost .

They made a comeback , because they want 3 flags .
They show me No mercy .
And they will get what they want if my team only want to hold 2 flags .

That may or may not be true. However, there are a couple of different factors in this issue which I am attempting to point out. Having an influx of people helping the opposing team when they need help, and the issue of the nade limit. In 99.9% of ALL cases, I support how the server is played when EITHER of these are enacted on the XN metro server. These tactics help the server, and typically will help balance out the teams. It will also give better team scores so you don't have a 500 point or more team score difference. THAT is where most people get a rush, knowing that they helped play a competitive game. I was a server admin for both BF1942, BF2142, BF2, and even BF3. I do have an idea about how a server should be run and being fair if you are going to keep it populated. What I saw made me question that. I wasn't the only one who had complaints either. Thus, I brought it up, first, in game, and since I got no satisfaction, I am bringing it up here.

People won't stick around if the game isn't competitive. Server stats will show that easily. And since BF3 is 6 years old, it is considered an older game and the population of players is shrinking immensely.

In this case, the issue is that BOTH the players helping AND turning on nade limit happened, and the game turned so quickly, and inexorably away from RU team's advantage. RU team had a hard time defending A and never truly got back on its feet after that. I was a one of several that had to respond to stop specifically fnbenis and 2rukus and a couple of others when they pretty much led the charge of the US forces and kept coming to our right flank. Worse in this case, was that only LLNZ came back to help the RU team, after it was completely apparent they had lost the initiative, and after requests from several on RU team to get people to help.

In this particular match, I didn't have a bad game. In all honesty, I had one of the best games (Literally, like the 2nd or third best I have ever done) I have ever had. Attempting to counter 2rukus and fnbenis is hard work (NO, I am not saying I did good at that, but it was still a challenge). But getting a good score isn't my best interest. Giving a fair chance to all involved is. In this case, RU TEAM got screwed.

Now, I don't have a problem with bad games. If you look me up, i have less than 50% win ratio in BF3, so I have just as many bad games as good games. So ,no, that is not the issue.

2Rukus
02-24-2019, 03:49 PM
Nade limit is the same for both sides. Not sure how turning explosive limits on is considered admin abuse.
Your 2nd point(next game) is not accurate either. LLNZ was not the only admin in the that round on your team. There was 2 admins on the US team that round. You must have been to upset from the nade limit the round before to see that.
We do try to balance the rounds when we can. As you can see from our W/L ratios we constantly switch to the losing teams to help. Most players, like yourself , mainly care about winning, which is fine. You can play the game the way you want.
I just don't see how limiting nades would be considered admin abuse.

The last point you made.


So I ask you, is this what we should expect on the server?

You can expect the admins to continue switching to the losing teams and turning on nade limit from time-to-time.

Thanks!
Ruk

Grovelerwyrm
02-24-2019, 10:15 PM
Nade limit is the same for both sides. Not sure how turning explosive limits on is considered admin abuse.
Your 2nd point(next game) is not accurate either. LLNZ was not the only admin in the that round on your team. There was 2 admins on the US team that round. You must have been to upset from the nade limit the round before to see that.
We do try to balance the rounds when we can. As you can see from our W/L ratios we constantly switch to the losing teams to help. Most players, like yourself , mainly care about winning, which is fine. You can play the game the way you want.
I just don't see how limiting nades would be considered admin abuse.

The last point you made.


You can expect the admins to continue switching to the losing teams and turning on nade limit from time-to-time.

Thanks!
Ruk

The particular game in question, LLNZ was the only one on my team. You might be thinking of the next map when Chi1ag07 joined, on my team.

As i stated in my last post, my biggest concern is to make a fair game and a COMPETITIVE GAME for all. Only thing I would care about, regarding winning is being able to win 50 percent of my games, thus giving others 50%, which, as you see, I have, or darn close. But what I don't agree with is that you made it go from one side winning by a reasonably large margin, to the opposite side winning, with a ticket balance go from +300 for RU to -134 for RU, do to your actions. Was that game competitive. In my book, yes, but that only applies to me, and to how hard i pushed to keep the damage from being catastrophic to our team. However, as you would look by the stats on the server, the same team kept winning time after time and having advantages such as fighting positions and getting flags because of your actions.

As I said, and as Benis would know, as he has already heard before, several times from me in the past, I don't care for a =/- margin of over 500 points. If we cant get within that, then one team is getting clownstomped. When one team is clownstomped, and has a -500 ticket margin, then I can almost guarantee you that almost every time that happens, they are pushed back to their main and spawncamped to no end. Yesterday, that second game where Ch1cag07 joined, we lost by 625 tickets. In that game, we never got any assistance via nade limit, or by anyone switching. This contradicts what you just posted about helping. You were in the game, as well as Benis, yet the whole game the US team was behind on points, to the point that they lost by 625 tickets and even lost C a couple of times. No one came to the rescue.

At this point, I am going to guess that you will say....we had LLNZ and Ch1cag07 on our team, and that would be enough to balance it out. Well, as the server report says, it did not.

I welcome the continuation of switching to the losing team and turning on nade limit, as long as it is uniformly applied to ALL GAMES, not just ones you pick.

LLNZ
02-25-2019, 05:30 PM
Hi, I'm carlsjr, welcome to the forum.

Who?

byCarlsJr
02-25-2019, 07:35 PM
Who?

Sigh... Sometimes it feels that way...

NewspaperNelson
02-26-2019, 08:03 AM
Tonight, I joined the server, as I have done for the past 3 1/2 years.

Have you made a lot of donations to the server in 3 1/2 years?

NewspaperNelson
02-26-2019, 08:06 AM
I was a one of several that had to respond to stop specifically fnbenis and 2rukus and a couple of others when they pretty much led the charge of the US forces

Just get them to talking about miter saws, hunting rifles or pickup trucks and they will get distracted.

Grovelerwyrm
02-26-2019, 01:37 PM
Have you made a lot of donations to the server in 3 1/2 years?

I have made a couple. But, I also must ask, what does that matter? This thread isn't about me. It's about the actions of others, as I have pointed out.

2Rukus
02-26-2019, 03:43 PM
I have made a couple. But, I also must ask, what does that matter? This thread isn't about me. It's about the actions of others, as I have pointed out.

It kinda is about you though.
You got butt hurt in game and started this thread......

benis
02-26-2019, 10:18 PM
We turn on the nade limit from time to time, and will continue to do so. I hope you can get over the fact that a couple of rounds didn't go your way, and have fun playing on the server.

benis
02-27-2019, 02:46 AM
This server needs soft serve ice cream, and sprinkles. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQOqybdYA0k
ahhhh, sprinkles.

Grovelerwyrm
02-27-2019, 03:46 AM
It kinda is about you though.
You got butt hurt in game and started this thread......

About me? Really? I have contributed to the server maintenance, I have attempted to conduct myself IN GAME in a manner that helps not only my team, but THE SERVER. I have spent time populating it to get it started in the morning. I have monitored for hackers, I have consoled people on the server rules. I even made this account a few weeks ago to report hackers. Posting about this crap was never in my intention until it happened. And if it was worth discussing, you would think I wouldn't report this unless I saw something. I saw something, I am reporting it....apparently to deaf ears.

No, I am disappointed in YOU and benis at this time, and yet you STILL don't understand the issue. You try to blame it on me because I complain, yet you take no responsibility for what YOU did. You showed that you used your admin abilities one game, when it may/may not have needed it, but in the VERY NEXT GAME, you DID NOT show the same compassion for the opposing team and did not repeat your actions of either nade limit OR assisting the opposing team. You just played on. THAT showed that YOU were using your abilities as an admin in a manner which suited YOU and no one else. Instead of helping, you kept the throttle on and destroyed the opposing team even worse. THUS the ADMIN ABUSE. Server reports say it all.

As a matter of fact, I could say that YOU were butthurt because of the round before all this started, when you lost. YOU used the nade limit, AND assisted the other team just so YOU could win. Do I know why? No. But the server stats show exactly that. THAT would be admin abuse. Do you really need screenshots to show you information you can already look up?

Deadly_PewPew
02-27-2019, 04:30 AM
To NewspaperNelson
Question the donation is a bad decision . You can't make ppl calm down with this quesiont .

To Grovelerwyrm
No matter when adm turn on the nade limit , there will always be a winner and a loser in each round .
If the future decide that your team will lose , your team will just lose .
Nade limit won't cause you lose . Because it limit both team , not just your team .
I have a video about me , the ticket is USA 477 : RU 1058 .
System arranged me at RU , I switch to US then .
End up , US won the round with 120 tickets left.
We made RU team lost 1058 tickets .
No adm there , no one turn on the nade limit .
What would you say about this round ?

And there was a round , I'm US .
We have A and B , and I was plan to spam m320 to hold B for whole round .
I did it well , I spam m320 to hold red stair + front stair + back stair .
I made benis turn on the nade limit .
And guess what , end up the US team won .
When I notice the nade limit , I start to smoke and rush to C .
RU team loss because they lost C flag .

So plz think twice and stop blame the nade limit .

2Rukus
02-27-2019, 05:52 AM
I have searched the logs and can't find any donation from you. Not saying you are lying, but I do not see it.
I have over 4,000 hrs on this server and over 3,000 rounds on it, seeding and playing. I see you have only 222 rounds. I seed it almost every morning to get it up and running. You are nowhere to be found.

We play the game. Push and switch teams ALL THE DAMN TIME to help out the game play. Do we all switch every round? Hell no. Do you ever switch to help? Hell no.
We turn no explosive limits from time-to-time.

Again, the limit is the same for both sides.
If you think I got butt hurt cause I switched to the losing team to help them out then you have major issues that no one here will be able to assist you with.
Maybe you should find a few guys that do not camp, join that squad and push for the objectives. It's not hard.

We will not play the game the way you want us too.

So either play the game and have fun or move on now.

Do not respond that we need you to keep the server going.
After running servers for over 15 years and dealing with kids that bitch and whine all the time( just saying this in general)
I'm about done with it. This server could go down today and never come back up and I would not even blink an eye over it.

Thanks
Ruk

byCarlsJr
02-27-2019, 06:33 AM
This server needs soft serve ice cream, and sprinkles. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQOqybdYA0k
ahhhh, sprinkles.

Sprinkles. SPRINKLES!!! Grab your money we're going to marble slab.

2Rukus
02-27-2019, 06:37 AM
lol

NewspaperNelson
02-27-2019, 04:51 PM
This server could go down today and never come back up and I would not even blink an eye over it.

See, this is what those of us who aren't whiney bitches DO NOT want.

Grovelerwyrm
02-28-2019, 03:25 AM
I have searched the logs and can't find any donation from you. Not saying you are lying, but I do not see it.
I have over 4,000 hrs on this server and over 3,000 rounds on it, seeding and playing. I see you have only 222 rounds. I seed it almost every morning to get it up and running. You are nowhere to be found.

We play the game. Push and switch teams ALL THE DAMN TIME to help out the game play. Do we all switch every round? Hell no. Do you ever switch to help? Hell no.
We turn no explosive limits from time-to-time.

Again, the limit is the same for both sides.
If you think I got butt hurt cause I switched to the losing team to help them out then you have major issues that no one here will be able to assist you with.
Maybe you should find a few guys that do not camp, join that squad and push for the objectives. It's not hard.

We will not play the game the way you want us too.

So either play the game and have fun or move on now.

Do not respond that we need you to keep the server going.
After running servers for over 15 years and dealing with kids that bitch and whine all the time( just saying this in general)
I'm about done with it. This server could go down today and never come back up and I would not even blink an eye over it.

Thanks
Ruk

You aren't worth any more of my time. So in parting I will leave you with this:

REREAD this whole thread. Not just you Rukus but EVERYONE. I said it was a combination of nade limit AND switching on MULTIPLE occasions.

If you think that nade limit doesn't help the US team, especially when they rush the red stairs, then you might want to learn about tactics.

Regarding butthurt, I never said you were. However, YOU called me out for being butthurt. I responded that you COULD. Again, REREAD.

Fifteen years? Congratulations. You will get to my level in about another 15 years or so. Maybe, by then, you will learn that sometimes, people are talking with an angle. You just might want to figure out the angle.

You don't need to worry, I will never be visiting your server ever again, or contributing to it. Or maybe, you should.

It is apparent that anything I say is not communicated well enough for you to understand. I let the server stats speak, and what they speak, well....it doesn't look good for you. I tried multiple times. Have a good day.

2Rukus
02-28-2019, 04:04 AM
Bye bye

byCarlsJr
02-28-2019, 06:20 AM
Sprinkles bitches. Sprinkles.

NewspaperNelson
02-28-2019, 02:42 PM
I let the server stats speak, and what they speak, well....it doesn't look good for you...

Ruk, let's see this guy's server stats. What's his reputation for helping losing teams?

ANKABOOM
03-02-2019, 11:50 AM
Why Grovelerwyrm so angry....it's just a video game.....:cool:
By the way benis I like the ice cream and sprinkles video lol;)

benis
03-02-2019, 07:10 PM
lol

Sling3r
03-09-2019, 05:06 PM
And to think they think benis is the admin abuser....bahahahaha

2Rukus
03-09-2019, 05:30 PM
lol

benis
03-10-2019, 10:40 PM
Actually, it wasn't me that turned on the limit and pissed this guy off. I just happened to be on the same team as Ruk, lol.

AetherMetal
03-24-2019, 10:25 AM
Wow all this drama just because you lose a round?
For the love of Baphomet, move on, there are dozens of rounds more to play, open a cold beer and enjoy the server. Period.

chicago
03-24-2019, 03:40 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=98T3PVaRrHU